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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:27 am

Glacia would fall under a Cat Hybrid....with a few changes, as made in the spoiler.
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With that....umm....Go ahead and rate/comment/like/favorite/subscribe. Umm yea, basic abilities I had and some new ones I tossed in there.

*s denote new powers.

**s Denotes that it isn't new, but has new concepts added on.


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Post  Mari Eir Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:49 am

Er.. is that meteor thing new..?
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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:24 am

Nope, it was previously approved. In the Temp Blue bin, see "Glacia's Ultimate Magic"

Updated to include what is New and what is Updated from previous.
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Post  Xeek Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:00 am

I think.. You should state a certain limit to the Demi-skills. It seems like she can use all of them, WITHOUT even activating Demi.

Also, for while it does remove transformation, what if IC wise, it isn't a transformation? Does it still power it down? Or, in Xeek's case, that his wings and tail are a transformation?

Personally, I think(while the OOC power does have limits) you should state how those limits will show IC.

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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:03 am

I'll state the demi thing in the list, as I did state it before in the thread it was approved in.

I'm not going to bother with the music stuff, as it IS the EXACT same thing as Soifa's, and this discussion WAS talked about in that thread I believe. You can go see/ask her, or find the original thread in the temp bluebin. Basically, it's not MY power originally, so don't ask me.
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Post  Teoxihuitl Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:15 am

You should still explain it. Though it's not your original idea, I recommend you do so. For example the case with Rozenetta and Soifa's alp ablities. Large dispute happened in that case, lets avoid that please.




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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:45 am

I wouldn't be able to explain what isn't mine though.
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Post  Xeek Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:16 pm

Glaceon wrote:I wouldn't be able to explain what isn't mine though.

Glacia, they are your powers. Just because you learned it from them, doesn't mean they aren't yours. You need to understand them. You should ask Soifa so you can answer when someone ask you.

Least... that's how it should be. I don't know how the councilors want to play it.
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Post  Teoxihuitl Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:17 pm

Xeek wrote:
Glaceon wrote:I wouldn't be able to explain what isn't mine though.

Glacia, they are your powers. Just because you learned it from them, doesn't mean they aren't yours. You need to understand them. You should ask Soifa so you can answer when someone ask you.

Least... that's how it should be. I don't know how the councilors want to play it.

That's how I see it as well. . . but I am not a higher up~

If they say otherwise thats fine I guess.
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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:28 pm

If it's shown through Transformation skills, IE PAlly/DK/Beast Mode/Demi, then it is cancelled.
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Post  Xeek Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:36 pm

Glaceon wrote:If it's shown through Transformation skills, IE PAlly/DK/Beast Mode/Demi, then it is cancelled.

I want to know why IC though.
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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:43 pm

Xeek wrote:
Glaceon wrote:If it's shown through Transformation skills, IE PAlly/DK/Beast Mode/Demi, then it is cancelled.

I want to know why IC though.

" It is not meant to empower, but to weaken a target. If successful, it will end any powerful state a person is in"

Also. I CAN use this excuse here. It's magic. Magic Music. Why does the music end out transes OOC and not just make us mini Demis?
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Post  Xeek Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:45 pm

No clue, it's why I am asking you.
You are understanding what I am asking, not everyone uses trans an empower state. What if someone uses trans as a simple clothing appearance? Will the clothing disappear?
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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:47 pm

If they DONT use the transformation skills for it, then they ARENT cancelled. It CANCELS OOCly-Transformation based skills. If you use whatever the heck that isn't some variant to Transformation skill to show you growing a tail, it WONT cancel that. It's the OOC mechanic of the magic music being imported ICly.

So if they use say DK to show different clothing or stuff....yes it'd be cancelled, because thats what the music does.
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Post  Mari Eir Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:26 pm

Er.. wow, this blew up. o__O I asked my earlier question to see if there was a better explanation. And to avoid confusion, include as MUCH information as possible. If you have better explanations in your old powers, then include that entire explanation.
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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:32 pm

everything is shown as is. I copy pasted most of the older descriptions.
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Post  Mari Eir Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:40 pm

Mmk, re-read. And read the older descriptions. What's the IC cooldown for the meteor thing? How much is she weakened and for how long?
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Post  Xeek Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:42 pm

Glaceon wrote:If they DONT use the transformation skills for it, then they ARENT cancelled. It CANCELS OOCly-Transformation based skills. If you use whatever the heck that isn't some variant to Transformation skill to show you growing a tail, it WONT cancel that. It's the OOC mechanic of the magic music being imported ICly.

So if they use say DK to show different clothing or stuff....yes it'd be cancelled, because thats what the music does.

Okay... Lets see if I can get it through this time.
Xeek doesn't use trans to get his tail. So it won't go away.
But if someone else uses trans for their tail, what makes theirs go away?

There is just no consistency.
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Post  Mari Eir Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:43 pm

If your trans is represented OOC, it goes away IC. If it is not, then it doesn't. The difference IC would probably be the amount of power that goes into it.
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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:51 pm

I think that's actually a good explanation. If you use OOC trans to show it, I imagine ICly it requires a lot of power to use it. Otherwise, something like showing a tail using a sword is like flipping a switch.
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Post  Xeek Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:58 pm

That's IF the player chooses. If they are the same level, it makes no sense.
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Post  Guest Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:46 pm

What I can't understand is...


Why are you using something that boosts ALL YOUR STATS and makes you more powerful...to show a robe?


That being said, your decision for how to show the thing is not our fault. If it gets cancelled by the skill used on it, it gets cancelled. You can't just ignore what you don't like.

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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:04 pm

The choice of if the music affects you is yours, as is the choice to show what represents what. If you wanna use your OOC trans to show something silly like a magical robe or something, it's gonna affect you if the conditions for it to affect you are there. This is being in trans and in the party.

The magic music would abruptly end Glacia's ice witch form, yes. It would abruptly end Soifa's nightmare form. It would force Mari back into her humanoid form. If I used trans to show someone like Fioria having a rage moment, the music would "calm her down" and end the "trans."
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Post  Xeek Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:17 pm

It's not even about Raffy, while it does apply to him. An IC skill should not target an OOC skill.
Like I said, it's like using demi-god skills as an electric attack on a player who is immune to electricity. The powers have no reasoning IC. And that's the problem with yours and Soifa's music powers. You need to translate the powers IC, it's the point of having the description and how they go together. Even if all you are asking is for a simple scroll removal, you need to know how to power works.

As it is in Mabi, the power takes down the 5 In-game transes. If you want it to remove other transes, you should specify the condition for removing. Because something is a certain way OOC, it's not an IC condition.
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Post  Glaceon Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:33 pm

As stated, it can be avoided. Also, it's your choice to make something whatever it is. I made Glacia's "Ice" Demi skills have a more physically damaging aspect than elemental.

If someone were trying to get electircal demi skills approved, I'm sure that would be QUESTIONED. Honestly, the powers work the same ICly as they do OOCly, so the reasoning would be the exact same ICly as it is OOCly. As also stated, you choose what you use to represent your skills, so if you choose to use them as an OOC Trans, then you should know all the drawbacks to having it as such, one such drawback being that it would be affected by this skill. If you don't want your character affected, don't be in the party when the skill is used. Also saying "I don't like it" or "I just want to" isn't an excuse, as you WERE saying that in the chat box earlier.


EDIT: Going through the original power thread to add to this.
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