--Moved because Dellinger's right. Sorry! On Weekday AU's.

Vayne wrote:I've been doing a lot of thinking. Is this really a good idea? I'm becoming more and more against AU's taking place during the week, the more I think about it. AUs, in my opinion, should be restricted to the weekends. Normal RP boring for you? Tough cookies, this is Mabinogi and Roleplaying in the world set up by the game is party of roleplaying in the game. We are already getting complaints about how AU's are constricting normal RP when they're on the weekends alone. You may not feel there's a problem, but we know several do--and I certainly think so in the case of weekdays. And if a problem is percieved by several people, then it can cause a problem, no matter how valid.

I can see the concern. I even have it myself, now. If all we ever want to do is AURP, those who want normal RP with us get slighted. You might say, "no, I'll normal RP when asked". But would you really? Any of you? Me? I highly doubt it. Going off of the behaviors the guild exhibits already--normal RP will be stifled, there will be a problem. I'm not the only one who thinks this, obviously. I rarely stand up all on my own. I'd prefer to pick my battles. Given the fact that I truly feel this is bad for the guild, I'm taking a stand and opposing this, at least during the week. if you want to RP AU's all the freaking time, find another platform to do so, or don't.

I want you all to think to yourselves about what is truly best for the guild. Not what you want. Not what your friends want. What is for the best, in all actuality. It's not hard to look and predict what's going to happen with almost complete certainty.

Adhamh wrote:But the thing is...you have absolutely NO right to tell us to find another platform to AU on. Mabinogi is NOT created for RPSociety's benefit, so you nor anyone else is allowed to dictate whether or not we can AU RP. :l I apologize that I find normal RP boring, but I will not RP with someone else if I find myself falling asleep due to lack of interest.

Weekend AUs should not be constricting the flow of RP during the week, because well. They happen at a different time. I don't understand why people seem to think one disrupts the other. And honestly, the state in which normal RPing is not the only factor that's negatively affecting the guild. There are many other more important factors which I won't name because it's not my place to do so.

Vayne wrote:I'm not speaking about weekends. Weekend AU's constrict *weekend* normal RP. Do not twist my words around. never did I say to get rid of AU's. I said they shouldn't be done during the week, because that will restrict normal RP during the *weekdays*. This is about the weekdays, not the weekends. Weekdays.

And what's that? Problems in normal RP? Well, RP isn't always sunshine and roses. But ignoring RP isn't how you fix it. No. What you do is push through, and then work OOC to fix said problems. If the problems are IC? Then that's the fault of characters.

**EDIT**

No, mabinogi was not created for the benefit of RPSociety. But, RPSociety was created *within* Mabinogi, to RP in *mabinogi*. By *Mabinogi's* lore. AU's are great. on the weekends. But weekdays should remain focused on normal-U.

Adhamh wrote:I'm speaking about the weekdays as well as the weekends. If I and others want to AU on a Wednesday, you cannot tell us to stop.

And I'm sorry I don't go and tell people to make their characters more interesting for my benefit. You can't force an RP to become interesting just by willing it so and I won't break character just to join RPs my character normally wouldn't or to create scenarios, albeit interesting, that shouldn't happen according to my character's personality and background. And ignoring RP is a method to fix it. Just like taking a break from a game is a method to make it interesting once more in the future. And I'm sorry, using the excuse "by *Mabinogi's* lore." became invalid after we began adding our own concepts and events to the game. The Twilit War is not a part of the Mabinogi game lore.

Vayne wrote:*Doublepost* Not a Doublepost!
I understand my previous two posts were..confrontational. And I apologize for that. Allow me to restate the issue at hand in a more direct--but less demanding--manner.

I feel RP's during the weekdays are a dangerous thing. During the weekend it can be something to do, and a break from normal RP which, I admit, can be tedious at times. Are there issues with the guild? Yes, many. Are there issues with normal RP? Most definitely. But I do not feel that means we should inject more and more AU to where the normal Universe is largely unused. AU's are alternate. Not canon. Why then, should AU's develop and take precedence over the canon? Are they going to with absolute certainty? No, perhaps not, that was wrong of me. However, it is a valid concern and I am positive others feel that way. However, whether they weigh in is at their discretion.

What if AU's continued to grow because normal RP was "boring" or "problematic", to a point where the normal universe may as well not exist? Or what if it's still used, but the community segregates between normal-U and AU lines? It's entirely possible, though not guaranteed. We already have complaints during the weekend about how AU's stifle the weekend RP in the normal Universe. Remember, many of our potential new members are coming to play in the established Erinn, not the myriad of Alternate Universes. As a matter of fact, while it's certainly popular with some of us, I'd go so far to say the enjoyment of AU's is a particularly niche phenomenon. This, however, is speculation on my part and nothing substantial.
What is substantial is my concern that the normal Universe will be slighted. And I'm not okay with that. The normal universe was the intended universe for RPSociety, and I'd hate to see the guild crumble simply because a few of us may like something better. It was wrong of me to demand you go AURP elsewhere--though I was specifically speaking in terms of during the weekdays. It was wrong of me to try to mandate what you RP. But it does not change the fact that there is a problem percieved, and I feel it should be discussed. Rationally and calmly. And I will admit I started that off in a horrible manner. Too late to change my tone? Maybe. But I'm going to anyway.

Vayne wrote:*NOW a doublepost*
I'm going to continue this conversation. But, I do feel I should allow other people who may have opinions either way to throw in their lot before continuing. This is not intended to be a discussion between just the two of us, so I'm going to let this sit for a night before jumping back in.

Cyler wrote: I agree with Vayne truly. I mean...there is rarely normal RP as it is, I usually hear "Eh I really log on for the AU" or "I kinda mainly just RP AU" or "SQUEEEE AU?! YAY!".
Quite. If anyone has noticed me logging on less lately, it's a 50/50 split between lack of Normal RP and lack of things I want to do other than RP. Dungeons and stuff. I need more friends that LIKE the things I do for the dungeons and whatnot, but for the RP I need you guys.

Neeeeed.

Sure, we all have a right to RP what we like, but don't you think if you AU Sandbox it, it will soon become a replacement? I mean...nowadays in the normal Erinn RP it is either certain crimes and other political things. Why not just try to build on it more to make it less boring? Maybe an open plot like the TFAU had? People got to join in on it whenever! It was open for all to join.
To be honest, I didn't join the TFAU because I missed the first part, and once it got started I felt that attempting to join would bother the storyline.

Sorry.

But in the Erinn ones, I saw it was kinda hard to join those plots. It wasn't as planned and it depended on your characters connections. MAAAAAYBE we should try working on that too? I mean...most of the forum is built for the Erinn RP. If we sandbox it, we might as well make two MAIN threads for "Erinn" and "Sandbox AU" for people to register for, make bios and powers, etc. I admit trying to make a sandbox AU, but that ended in a complete failure. XD;
I'd rather just tell everyone to reset everything in normal AU and start over than RP in a sandbox AU. Seriously.

Or just forum it. Either way.

So I guess that is just open for a "whatev's" kinda thing, but still. This is my opinion on the thing. I am not trying to get on anyone's bad side, good side, or anything. I can understand wanting a sandbox also, but personally I love the normal RP, I may not always RP it every chance I get, but I still love it.

(Yes my post is similar to Xeek's also, this is just my opinion! )

Adhamh wrote:
But the thing is...you have absolutely NO right to tell us to find another platform to AU on. Mabinogi is NOT created for RPSociety's benefit, so you nor anyone else is allowed to dictate whether or not we can AU RP. :l I apologize that I find normal RP boring, but I will not RP with someone else if I find myself falling asleep due to lack of interest.
Lack of interest goes two ways. If you're not trying to make something interesting or find something interesting in it, it's your fault as well. Maybe try to make normal RP more interesting for yourself?

Weekend AUs should not be constricting the flow of RP during the week, because well. They happen at a different time. I don't understand why people seem to think one disrupts the other.
Should not. They are. People tend to no longer want to Normal RP. They want the super cool AUs! Nuts to the previously worked on characters created for that universe, do it over again only 10x cooler!

And honestly, the state in which normal RPing is not the only factor that's negatively affecting the guild. There are many other more important factors which I won't name because it's not my place to do so.
Doesn't mean it's not hurting it.

Vayne wrote:So..as you can see. While there are people willing to compromise, there is a problem people are having.
There's only so much compromise someone can do before it gets totally unbalanced. To me, the problem is lack of compromise from the other side. I'm not accusing anyone at all, so if someone misconstrues my post as some sort of insult or attack, I'm going to hurt them.

There's a lot of willingness to bend and twist from one side, and the other side is planted firmly on the ground not budging an inch. I admire the will to do what you want, but it's still a little frustrating to see all of these people willing to compromise and getting hardly a response.

Dalvar wrote:I would be content but not happy if AUs were kept to every other weekend.

I would be happy if everyone just focused their attention back on normal RPs.

Vayne wrote:It caters to the people active in AU's and want to do them more often, but it leaves other people in the dust. Alternate Universes were never intended to consume normal RP. I do not wish to see that even have the chance of happening.

Auramune wrote:I know people don't care for the idea of forum RP, but I do think it would help in this case. If AU rp is done on the weekdays, it could be done there. It doesn't interrupt anything, and it's available all the time for anyone to join easily. But I feel like I'm beating a dead horse saying all this.

Adhamh wrote:My only words on the matter:

Don't like the AU RPs that most of you have never tried (and therefore should not be the first to give your opinions)? "Tough cookies", this is RPS and roleplaying in a creative setting is part of what being an RPer means. I'm not sorry that you don't feel like trying something new, but don't rag on others' fun if you've yet to even attempt to join in and try it for yourself. (This of course is not directed at everyone, but at those that hardly ever/have never participated in the AUs.)

Yes, I do realize that this is a society and we need to do what's best for the guild, but to be honest, I like the AU RPs because I feel I have more of a freedom there. Yes, I do realize some of you still find Normal RP fun, but we all need to stop comparing others to how we view things. We don't all find the same things enjoyable.

Alternate Universes were never intended to consume normal RP. I do not wish to see that even have the chance of happening.